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 by: AnonUser - Thu, 31 Jan 2019 12:00 UTC

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https://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-users-flock-to-social-network-even-as-scandals-grow/

Microsoft staffer riles Firefox faithful by telling Mozilla to embrace
Chrome

Debate: Does Mozilla have more influence as a Chrome rival or ally?

by
Stephen Shankland

January 30, 2019 9:02 AM PST

Mozilla Firefox icon

A Mozilla Firefox sticker
Stephen Shankland/CNET

Mozilla should concede defeat to Chrome and adopt Google's browser
technology, a Microsoft executive suggested Friday, provoking rebuttals
over the weekend that Firefox's independence is now more important than
ever.

Chrome is built atop Google's Chromium open-source software project, which
lets anyone else use the code for their own projects, modify it and offer
their changes back. With Chrome's dominance and Google's heavy investment
in improving it, plenty of browser makers do just that. Chromium-based
browser makers include Opera, Vivaldi, Samsung, Brave -- and most
recently, Microsoft, which is rebuilding its Edge browser on Google's
browser tech.

Mozilla should join up, too, tweeted Kenneth Auchenberg, a Microsoft
program manager who works on web developer tools.

"Thought: It's time for @mozilla to get down from their philosophical
ivory tower. The web is dominated by Chromium, if they really *cared*
about the web they would be contributing instead of building a parallel
universe that's used by less than 5%?" He made it clear the viewpoint was
his personal opinion, not Microsoft's position.

Mozilla is indeed in a sticky situation, trying to improve the web when it
comes to things like openness, privacy and new standards. That mission is
harder with declining influence, though, and Firefox now accounts for 5
percent of web usage, according to analytics firm StatCounter. But without
independent efforts like Firefox, and to an extent Apple's Safari, the web
will stop being an independent software foundation and become whatever
Google says it is.

And plenty of people don't like that one bit. Indeed, Mozilla defenders
see the nonprofit's mission as even more important with Chrome's dominance.

"I couldn't disagree with you more. It precisely *because* Chromium has
such a large marketshare that is vital for Mozilla (or anyone else) to
battle for diversity," tweeted web developer Jeremy Keith in a response.
"'Building a parallel universe'? That *is* the contribution."

Mozilla declined to comment, saying the tweet thread speaks for itself.
Microsoft didn't comment on the thread. Google didn't respond to a request
for comment. Plenty of others voiced their thoughts in the tweet
discussion, though.

"If Mozilla retaining control over their own engine means web tech
advances slightly slower than if they fell in with Chromium instead, I'm
OK with that," said web developer Peter O'Shaughnessy. "I think the web
needs their perspective, safeguarding & diversity even more than it needs
$newWebFeature a few months quicker."
Riding on Google's road map

And Mozilla wouldn't necessarily have better influence if it pushed its
agenda using a Chromium-based browser, added programmer Kornel Lesiński.

"If Mozilla doesn't have power to change the Chromium-dominated web, why
would Mozilla have power to steer the Chromium project itself? They would
be along for the ride on Google's roadmap," Lesiński tweeted.

Chris Peterson, a Firefox technical program manager, made a similar point,
wondering how likely it'd be that Google's Chromium team accepted a change
that enabled Mozilla's tracking protection technology.

And from a practical standpoint, switching to a Chromium foundation would
be expensive and risky, said Brendan Eich, a Mozilla co-founder and now
chief executive of Chromium-based Brave.
Forking software is expensive

Maintaining an independent "fork" of Chromium without a team the size of
Microsoft's Edge effort would incur a "huge cost," Eich said. "They would
have to increase burn [spending] to avoid Firefox dropping faster while
the new thing comes up," he added.

Auchenberg got an earful, but the debate isn't over. He raised some
followup points -- for example, arguing that the web today is a
monumentally complex application foundation that's "incredibly expensive"
to support, and that he'd like Chromium itself to be run through an "open
governance" process. But his further views will have to wait for a blog
post he's planning.

"Given the great spawned debate, I'm taking a step back to reflect a bit
more before publishing more on this topic," Auchenberg told CNET. "I think
it's an important debate we as the web community need to have, but it has
to be in a more [reflective] and less emotional way."

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 by: 34324234 - Fri, 1 Feb 2019 20:10 UTC

oh man, if firefox would go to chrome, i would go to lynx. i wonder what would happen to the tor browser bundle....shudder to think (using exactly that to make this post).

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 by: AnonUser - Tue, 5 Feb 2019 12:10 UTC

34324234 wrote:

> oh man, if firefox would go to chrome, i would go to lynx. i wonder what
would happen to the tor browser bundle....shudder to think (using exactly that
to make this post).

I've always liked webkit. I know Google forked to blink but I still use
webkit browsers for a lot of activity. At this point I don't know of a
browser that renders all sites well.

I just read this "but an extra rendering engine can only make it harder
for web developers to build sites that work well across the popular
browsers" If they would just stick to standards this would not be a
problem at all.

I really don't want to see variety in rendering engines go away.

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