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Subject: Invitation to open discussions on suicide
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: def5
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 23:40 UTC
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From: poster@anon.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: Invitation to open discussions on suicide
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:40:50 -0800
Organization: def5
Message-ID: <soc.127.160dqf@anon.com>
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Pretext: don't worry about me, I'm doing pretty well for myself these days. :-)

This invitation comes as a reaction to a torrent advertised on postman, with a document advocating to use retroshare in order to create federated forums around the topic of suicide. Motivation was that forums with this subject had been repeatedly taken down by some dogooders of the "I-know-best-what-is-good-for-you"-type.
On the technical side, I find the suggestion to use retroshare highly questionable, because retroshare should allow to do this, but at the price of exposing the ips of all participants to each other (so that infrastructure can easily be mapped and the hosters persecuted).
On the emotional side, I find it sad that communities build around that subject. But I guess there is also a dark side of life, and people need to have a place to discuss it if they wish so.
On the free speech side of things, I absolutely support the right of each individual to discuss this subject freely with others, and without fear of being shut down and persecuted.
So I repeat my invitation that I already did in the comments to this torrent: anybody is welcome to discuss this subject here on /rocksolid/social or /offtopic, as the discussion is perfectly in line with the tos of my nodes (and I guess the others as well ? not for me to say...).
If there are active discussions a new group could also be created specifically.
All content can of these forums can be easily mirrored by anybody for preservation and/or making an independent site later.

Take care, I hope y'all don't want to die just yet. But if you do, you can discuss it here.

cheers

trw

PS: oh yeah, and then of course there was the mandatory comment on postman to use syndie for this purpose (of building federated forums)
and I just thought: hell yeah, if syndie was actually in a usable state, that would be a good way to do it. can anyone make it so ?


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Subject: Re: Invitation to open discussions on suicide
From: Retro Guy
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: RetroBBS
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 01:44 UTC
References: 1
Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!.POSTED.localhost!not-for-mail
From: retro_guy@retrobbs.rocksolidbbs.com (Retro Guy)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: Re: Invitation to open discussions on suicide
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:44:38 -0700
Organization: RetroBBS
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:40:50 -0800
Anonymous <poster@anon.com> wrote:

Pretext: don't worry about me, I'm doing pretty well for myself these
days. :-)

Well that's good to hear. Stay alive please :)

This invitation comes as a reaction to a torrent advertised on
postman, with a document advocating to use retroshare in order to
create federated forums around the topic of suicide. Motivation was
...
subject. But I guess there is also a dark side of life, and people
need to have a place to discuss it if they wish so. On the free
speech side of things, I absolutely support the right of each
individual to discuss this subject freely with others, and without
fear of being shut down and persecuted. So I repeat my invitation
that I already did in the comments to this torrent: anybody is
welcome to discuss this subject here on /rocksolid/social
or /offtopic, as the discussion is perfectly in line with the tos of
my nodes (and I guess the others as well ? not for me to say...). If

I get very bothered at censorship of discussion. This subject is
welcome also on my nodes, and of course will propagate to Usenet either
way.

When you deprive people of discussing issues with others, it can very
well lead to more issues. It's gone crazy with big sites like twitter
and facebook (and others) censoring opinions and discussion, which
means they are dictating what you can learn about, share and discuss.
This is a terrible thing, and anything I/we can do to allow people a
place to share is important.

I would hope the discussion would involve both sides of an argument,
not only promotion of one. But that's not for me to decide.

Before anyone says, "but you delete stuff!", this is true. I delete
plain old spam as this isn't a free advertising platform for illegal
products/activities. I do not delete ideas. I believe people should
have a place to voice (type) their opinions, even if I think their
opinion is really stupid :)

Note: This post isn't a TOS document, it's my opinion. I'm sure
someone can find a way to force me to moderate something and then call
me out.

Take care, I hope y'all don't want to die just yet. But if you do,
you can discuss it here.

Yes, I prefer people stay alive, whether I know them or not.

PS: oh yeah, and then of course there was the mandatory comment on
postman to use syndie for this purpose (of building federated forums)
and I just thought: hell yeah, if syndie was actually in a usable
state, that would be a good way to do it. can anyone make it so ?

I've given up on Syndie. The interface makes no sense, and the userbase
seems to be smaller every time I try it.

Retro Guy



Subject: None
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: def5
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:09 UTC
References: 1
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!rocksolid2!def5!.POSTED.bogusentry!not-for-mail
From: poster@anon.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: None
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 05:09:43 -0800
Organization: def5
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Suicide should be legalised everywhere absolute and not institutionalised, harming people who already want to kill their self is illogical and backwards. Not giving out illogical aid makes sense, don't want to give the mentally twisted attention whores legitimacy or aid for the millionth I'm killing myself but not episode.
Now don't go killing yourself over the insanity of this. Let it give propose to remove atleast a fraction of mental harm society causes.

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Subject: None
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: def5
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:29 UTC
References: 1
Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!def5!.POSTED.bogusentry!not-for-mail
From: poster@anon.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: None
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 06:29:34 -0800
Organization: def5
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Suicide should be legalised everywhere
While I agree with this statement, note that in this case it is not even the act itself which is persectued, but already the free exchange about it.

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Subject: None
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: rocksolid2 (novabbs.org)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:00 UTC
References: 1
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Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!.POSTED.127.117.190.215!not-for-mail
From: poster@anon.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: None
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:00:43 -0800
Organization: rocksolid2 (novabbs.org)
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It's gone crazy with big sites like twitter
and facebook (and others) censoring opinions and discussion,

I believe it has to do with the growing importance of online media. This is a big fat pie, and everybody wants to have their fingers in it: the big corps to make money, and the states to control their populations. So everything that stands in the way of earning or that could produce unrest is silently frozen out and shut down.
And all the victims relying on centralized services will be at the mercy of this mechanism. Fools.

Long live the forces of creative chaos, long live darknets and their independent services.

which means they are dictating what you can learn about, share and discuss.

Well, one can always start to use other, better services. Or better yet, create them.

:-)


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Subject: Re: Invitation to open discussions on suicide
From: Mei
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: Rocksolid Light
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 20:07 UTC
References: 1 2
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!rocksolid2!.POSTED.localhost!not-for-mail
From: Mei@rslight.i2p (Mei)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: Re: Invitation to open discussions on suicide
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 20:07:10 +0000
Organization: Rocksolid Light
Message-ID: <b1a865c743af9af3142eeb90e78934eb$1@rslight.i2p>
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Retro Guy wrote:
I've given up on Syndie. The interface makes no sense, and the userbase
seems to be smaller every time I try it.

Retro Guy

People use Syndie? Even when I could keep it working for a bit I think I only found one person. I like the idea, though.


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Subject: None
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: def5
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:20 UTC
References: 1
Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!def5!.POSTED.bogusentry!not-for-mail
From: poster@anon.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: None
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:20:35 -0800
Organization: def5
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there are some die-hards out there, someone is constantly feeding the comic group for example (you can check on mosfet.i2p).
for me, even when I could get it to run, it took forever to connect to other nodes, and it was never obvious to me if some connection was there at all...

the idea is great, if syndie was working well, there would be no need for these forums.

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Subject: Re: None
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: Rocksolid Light
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 10:11 UTC
References: 1 2
Path: i2pn2.org!.POSTED.10.136.143.187!not-for-mail
From: Anonymous@news.novabbs.org (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: Re: None
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 10:11:51 +0000
Organization: Rocksolid Light
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Suicide should be legalized there is literally no need to keep the world more populated with suicidal people though I prefer living at all cost I totally respect the ones who want to kill themselves humanity often feels like a asylum where everybody can enter but no one can leave
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Subject: Re: None
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: Rocksolid Light
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:54 UTC
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Path: i2pn2.org!.POSTED.10.136.143.187!not-for-mail
From: Anonymous@news.novabbs.org (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Subject: Re: None
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:54:46 +0000
Organization: Rocksolid Light
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Anonymous wrote:

Suicide should be legalized there is literally no need to keep the world more populated with suicidal people though I prefer living at all cost I totally respect the ones who want to kill themselves humanity often feels like a asylum where everybody can enter but no one can leave

I suspect the reason for it being illegal is so that "authorities" are able to intervene. There are people who have attempted suicide that fail that end up glad they're still alive. I've thought about this before, but maybe being able to keep them from doing it might be a good idea as it might be just some short term depression or event that leads them to it.
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Subject: Re: None
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: RetroBBS
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:05 UTC
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:05:04 +0000
Subject: Re: None
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"Suicide should be legalized there is literally no need to keep the world more populated with suicidal people"

This is simply not true.  I don't know the exact statistics, but I think that it's safe to guess the vast majority of those experiencing suicidal thoughts are able-bodied and skilled and are otherwise capable of being contributing members of society.  If you think that criminals can be rehabilitated, that the mentally challenged can be given purpose, or that it's worth the effort to save people from potentially fatal injuries or illnesses, then you must also think there is value in resolving or rehabilitating whatever disorder or situation causes a person to want to take their own life.
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