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https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/556436.html

Serious question: who is lying ? Nato ? The Ukraine ? Russia ? USA ? All of them ?
Guess time will tell, in 40 years or so when you can read in some archive how it all went down, and all the responsible people are dead of course.

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Russia preparing provocation in Donbas using chemical weapons to discredit Ukraine internationally
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Russia preparing provocation in Donbas using chemical weapons to discredit Ukraine internationally

Russia has been preparing an act of provocation in Donbas, eastern Ukraine, with the use of chemical weapons in order to accuse the Ukrainian military, a representative of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry's intelligence directorate has said.

"At present, the [Ukrainian] military intelligence has seen a number of signs indicating that Russia has been preparing an act of sabotage and terror with the use of chemical toxic substances... In the middle of December, a group of Russian specialists in chemical, military and toxic substances arrived in Donbas. The group included Russian special services agents and agents of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB)," Defense Department intelligence directorate representative Vadym Skybytsky said at a briefing in Kyiv on Saturday, December 29.

According to him, the Russian Federation wants to make use of Donbas-based enterprises with hazardous production, in particular, where stocks of toxic substances (chlorine and ammonia) are stored. The use of chemical weapons can be facilitated by weather conditions, which strengthen their toxicity, in particular, chlorine.

Skybytsky said the occupation forces in Donbas have been preparing for operations under conditions of chemical contamination. Chemical protective clothing and equipment for Russia-led armed formations have been imported from Russia.

"At the same time, the Russian special services are cynically counting on large-scale civilian casualties, which will ensure a certain response and attention from the international community," Skybytsky said, adding the disaster would be presented by Russian propagandists as the use of chemical weapons by Ukrainian armed forces against the residents of Donbas.

Russia is trying to use its entire arsenal of information and political propaganda to discredit Ukraine before the international community, Skybytsky said.

He said a similar scheme had been used by Russia before a chemical attack in the Aleppo area in Syria.

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 by: AnonUser - Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:58 UTC

"At the same time, the Russian special services are cynically counting on
large-scale civilian casualties, which will ensure a certain response and
attention from the international community," Skybytsky said

They must be reading from the US playbook.

Sounds to me like someone's preparing for a chemical attack and setting
the stage to put the blame on Russia.

How would the response and attention from the international community if
that happened benefit Russia? It wouldn't, it would benefit the current
Ukraine powers that be. Russia has no reason to do this.

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 by: 678909876 - Thu, 3 Jan 2019 21:22 UTC

>Sounds to me like someone's preparing for a chemical attack and setting the stage to put the blame on Russia.

Or on the Ukraine, depends which way you prefer/want to read it.
A chemical attack with civilian casualties that can be pinned on either side would enable the respective other side to increase their level of aggression and/or to isolate the "guilty" side internationally.

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