>Must watch: <https://danner-net.blah.blah.blah>

Why bother with all that 'old hat' stuff?
This message was also sent anonymously from my Tuta account and I receive
encrypted messages via remailers also to my Tuta account.

The average emailer isn't going to be bothered with all that nym crap.
No need to be so paranoid!

This is the way forward and you all know it. Encryption is everywhere now
and is not an elite secret messaging service like you're James Bond.

Free and premium services: https://tuta.com/pricing

Stay safe, stay encrypted! (And anonymous if you want to be!)

>Why bother with all that 'old hat' stuff?
>This message was also sent anonymously from my Tuta account and I
receive
>encrypted messages via remailers also to my Tuta account.

>The average emailer isn't going to be bothered with all that nym crap.
>No need to be so paranoid!

I can tell you, when you really really want anonymity & privacy, a Nym
is the way to go.
How do I know this ?
Because in the old days I used JBN for managing my Nym, and due to my
work position at the time, I became aware of a Company take-over, and
some corruption going on around that to help influence the share price.
I decided to use my Nym and adviced the Regulatory Authority in charge
of the approvals for such company take-overs.
The take-over was held up why further investigations occurred, and I
received more email from the Regulatory Authorities asking me if I
could supply more evidence.
Luckily I refused, but what I only found out later was that during the
process of holding up this company sale, the Regulatory Authorities
showed my email of complaint to the company Director concerned.

As a result, I'm fully aware that the company Director made it his
business to visit the country where my Nym Server then existed, in an
attempt to influence the Administrator to name me.
Of course he failed in this request, otherwise I would've been sacked
for sure.

What did I learn:

(1) No matter how important the subject matter is, you can never trust
people to preserve your confidentiality by being honest and upfront.
(2) Using that Nym preserved my career and for us as a family kept us
from the poor house.
(3) Yes Tuta Mail is probably secure, but under the above
circumstances, how long do you reckon it'd take for the Administrator
to give up my name to that Director ? Ten minutes I'd suggest !
(4) The only downside is that authorities and entities can & do say "we
don't respond to anonymous requests or information supplied." But my
answer might be ".......... I have just supplied you with some facts,
so my name surely is irrelevant."

I'm still very careful here now talking about this, because I don't
want to name the then Nym server, or the country I'm from, or the
correct name of that Regulatory Authority.

So it's not "Nym crap"

Cheers
Fred

The Tuta Spammer wrote:

>>Must watch: <https://danner-net.blah.blah.blah>
>
>Why bother with all that 'old hat' stuff?
>This message was also sent anonymously from my Tuta account

a) It's missing a References header, so try harder next time.
Hint: With OmniMix and an NNTP client that won't happen.
b) Your non-anonymous tuta mail will never ever become
anonymous by an additional remailer routing.

All that demonstrates your cluelessness.

> and I receive
>encrypted messages via remailers also to my Tuta account.

What a surprise! Remailers can send to email addresses.
Praise the Lord!

>
>The average emailer isn't going to be bothered with all that nym crap.
>No need to be so paranoid!

So go play elsewhere, jerk. This here is beyond your imagination.
It's about reality, invisible looking through rose-tinted glasses.

On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 10:02:21 +0000, Anonymous <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
wrote:

> The Tuta Spammer wrote:
>
>>> Must watch: <https://danner-net.blah.blah.blah>
>>
>> Why bother with all that 'old hat' stuff?
>> This message was also sent anonymously from my Tuta account
>
> a) It's missing a References header, so try harder next time.
> Hint: With OmniMix and an NNTP client that won't happen.

You don't even need OmniMix for that....

> b) Your non-anonymous tuta mail will never ever become
> anonymous by an additional remailer routing.
>
> All that demonstrates your cluelessness.

Cluelessness abounds, unfortunately. Sometimes the consequences of being
clueless are quite profound, even life-altering. More on that, below.

>> and I receive
>> encrypted messages via remailers also to my Tuta account.
>
> What a surprise! Remailers can send to email addresses.
> Praise the Lord!

Whatever will they think of next, huh?

>> The average emailer isn't going to be bothered with all that nym crap.
>> No need to be so paranoid!
>
> So go play elsewhere, jerk. This here is beyond your imagination.
> It's about reality, invisible looking through rose-tinted glasses.

When it comes to rose-tinted glasses, I can think of no place with a worse
case of this on Usenet than alt.sex.stories.d newsgroup. Something like 99%
of the posters in that NG are Google Groups users, posting from valid Gmail
addresses.

Sometimes, things can get /very/ real -- a good example of this took place
rather recently in alt.sex.stories.discussion (ASSD). Most of the discussion
in that NG was about the operation of the Alt Sex Stories Text Repository
(ASSTR). The ASSTR was setup to archive the text-only stories that had been
submitted over the years to the various text-only story groups in the
alt.sex hierarchy. Over the years, ASSTR has accepted stories in virtually
all genres, with almost no content rules. As a result, a fair amount of text
stories have been submitted with underage characters involving explicit sex.

Over the last few decades, there have been several court cases in the United
States, where people have been criminally convicted and sentenced to (long)
prison terms for transmitting 'obscenity'. The stories that led to these
convictions typically involved underage characters and explicit sex.

In part, because of these legal cases, many story-hosting sites have begun
to reject material with underage characters, leaving ASSTR and ASSD as the
only sites on the Net still willing to receive/host these.

>From time to time, there have been posters in ASSD trying to raise the alarm,
stating that it simply isn't safe to post non-anonymously any longer. These
posters have made entirely reasonable statements like:

* DO NOT announce your plans to break the law; and

* DO NOT post evidence of having done so from a traceable account; and

* DO NOT use file-sharing software (eg. BitTorrent) to distribute contraband.

These posters got no small amount of pushback from clueless, Google Groups-
using ASSD participants, whose arguments essentially boil down to:

* "They're not going to notice me."

* "It shouldn't be illegal"

* "The law is wrong, the courts are wrong", etc.

* Look at how many people have been posting in ASSD -- for years even -- and
there's been only been a small number of arrests, etc. (In other words,
the clear implication is that the odds of getting busted are on a par with
the odds of being hit by lightning.)

Well, wouldn't you know it, but somebody decided to ignore these rules, and
do it anyway... they mentioned an entire raft of things that should never
have been said in the open, let alone in the clear, from a traceable Gmail
account -- they admitted to:

* Hosting the ASSTR archive online, from a server located at home (if you
can believe it!)

* Wanting to move to a hosting service located in a jurisdiction that would
not comply with US or other demands from law enforcement (i.e. Russia)

Needless to say, lightning struck just a few days before Christmas... it was
apparently reported in another forum that they had been raided, arrested,
and the server seized.

IMO, obscenity laws are an anachronism, an artifact of the mid-to-late 19th
Century that belong in the trash bin. No government should have the ability
to censor what you read, and even more, what you write.

On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:46:00 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
said:

>> Why bother with all that 'old hat' stuff?
>> This message was also sent anonymously from my Tuta account and I receive
>> encrypted messages via remailers also to my Tuta account.
>
>> The average emailer isn't going to be bothered with all that nym crap.
>> No need to be so paranoid!
>
> I can tell you, when you really really want anonymity & privacy, a Nym
> is the way to go.

Damn straight, Fred! I couldn't agree more with you.

> How do I know this ?
> Because in the old days I used JBN for managing my Nym, and due to my
> work position at the time, I became aware of a Company take-over, and
> some corruption going on around that to help influence the share price.
> I decided to use my Nym and adviced the Regulatory Authority in charge
> of the approvals for such company take-overs.

JBN, eh? Wow! That takes me back... (I was never a user myself, but I still
remember it well.)

> The take-over was held up why further investigations occurred, and I
> received more email from the Regulatory Authorities asking me if I
> could supply more evidence.
>
> Luckily I refused, but what I only found out later was that during the
> process of holding up this company sale, the Regulatory Authorities
> showed my email of complaint to the company Director concerned.
>
> As a result, I'm fully aware that the company Director made it his
> business to visit the country where my Nym Server then existed, in an
> attempt to influence the Administrator to name me.

I hope you used a throw-away email for the nym target. Were I in your shoes,
I would have trashed that email account, and the PGP key associated with it.
Like the Gruq says, "No logs, no crime."

> Of course he failed in this request, otherwise I would've been sacked
> for sure.

No kidding. I'll bet you lost him a shit-ton of money...
> What did I learn:
>
> (1) No matter how important the subject matter is, you can never trust
> people to preserve your confidentiality by being honest and upfront.

Better to rely on the laws of mathematics, as opposed to the laws of men.

> (2) Using that Nym preserved my career and for us as a family kept us
> from the poor house.

I can well believe that.

> (3) Yes Tuta Mail is probably secure, but under the above
> circumstances, how long do you reckon it'd take for the Administrator
> to give up my name to that Director ? Ten minutes I'd suggest !

If the Administrator refused, the company would just likely apply for a
court order to force them to release the information.

> (4) The only downside is that authorities and entities can & do say "we
> don't respond to anonymous requests or information supplied." But my
> answer might be ".......... I have just supplied you with some facts,
> so my name surely is irrelevant."

You were lucky that the Director wasn't acquainted with counterintelligence
techniques, e.g. feeding you false information to see if it was turned-in to
the regulator. The Soviets used to call this technique Gamma.

> I'm still very careful here now talking about this, because I don't
> want to name the then Nym server, or the country I'm from, or the
> correct name of that Regulatory Authority.

When people lose a significant amount of money, they don't soon forget, even
after the passage of decades. There might be nothing /legal/ he could do to
you, but it could still be arranged for you to have a serious mishap or
accident, for example. I don't blame you for continuing to be cautious.

> So it's not "Nym crap"

No, it's not, as you have proven once again.

> Cheers
> Fred

Regards,

Stainless Steel Rat

My first reply didn't make the distance, so here goes #2

>JBN, eh? Wow! That takes me back... (I was never a user myself, but I
still
>remember it well.)

Yeah, well it's now only a distant memory, but as I recall back then,
alt.anonymous.messages
wasn't available.
I'm well and truely retired, and currently don't have a Nym, but seem
to get by with the odd
anon post or two.

>I hope you used a throw-away email for the nym target. Were I in your
shoes,
>I would have trashed that email account, and the PGP key associated
with it.
>Like the Gruq says, "No logs, no crime."

Yeah, after that I never used the account again, nor the key either.

>Better to rely on the laws of mathematics, as opposed to the laws of
men.

Yes, I agree, but you can count on human nature to never change, and
shooting the messenger
is always the first go to choice when available

>If the Administrator refused, the company would just likely apply for
a
>court order to force them to release the information.

Yes again, but if it were TutaMail, then I don't suppose it would've
taken long.
A few drinks between Director and Administrator & perhaps a nice
donation towards the server,
and my name would be safely tucked away in his back pocket.
I've seen the behavour before from Company Managers - Most Food
Inspectors from the local Councils
go on a healthy Christmas package each year.

>You were lucky that the Director wasn't acquainted with
counterintelligence
>techniques, e.g. feeding you false information to see if it was
turned-in to
>the regulator. The Soviets used to call this technique Gamma.

Oh that was tried but I was prepared, and just kept a straight face &
did nothing.

Thanks SS Rat, I'm grateful for your post
Fred