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Subject: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: def2
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 18:45 UTC
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Subject: Go Antifa !
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Doxxing neonazi terrorists ? What a brilliant idea:

https://first-vigil.com/
https://howhatesleeps.com/

Go Antifa ! Go Emily Gorcenski !

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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 14:54 UTC
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Antifa are neonazi terrorists.
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: RetroBBS
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 23:07 UTC
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Anonymous wrote:

Antifa are neonazi terrorists.

I don't understand how so many people don't realize that.
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Mei
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From: Mei@news.novabbs.org (Mei)
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Antifa are neonazi terrorists.

I don't understand how so many people don't realize that.

It's because they aren't deluded morons who only listen to actual fascists.

There, easy answer. I'm sure you bootlicking garbage won't have any more so I'll sleep now :)
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: RetroBBS
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 12:56 UTC
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Mei wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Antifa are neonazi terrorists.

I don't understand how so many people don't realize that.

It's because they aren't deluded morons who only listen to actual fascists.

There, easy answer. I'm sure you bootlicking garbage won't have any more so I'll sleep now :)

Antifa seems to be all about hatred and violence based on other's race or financial or social status. Why does it seem that way? It seems to be a very racist group.
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
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do you actually know any people identifying as antifa ? or you just read some stories on imageboards ?
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
Organization: novaBBS
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 07:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 07:32:37 +0000
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Anonymous wrote:

Antifa seems to be all about hatred and violence based on other's race or financial or social status. Why does it seem that way? It seems to be a very racist group.

Probably the bad actors. Some ppl just hate and make the rest look bad. Happens on all sides.
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: rocksolid.social
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 05:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
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Anonymous wrote:

Antifa seems to be all about hatred and violence based on other's race or financial or social status. Why does it seem that way? It seems to be a very racist group.

Fascism isn't just hatred or racism. Fascism is the use of propaganda and mass psychology by wealthy businessmen to manipulate people into forming a fanatical loyalty to a single leader, who is the puppet of said wealthy businessmen.

So uh, unless you can point to the great ubermensch fuher to which all Antifa must pledge their loyalty or be annihilated, then you're full of shit, you fucking hypocritical lying fascist tool.

This does not mean Antifa is a good idea. But they definitely are not fascist.
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Antifa seems to be all about hatred and violence based on other's race or financial or social status. Why does it seem that way? It seems to be a very racist group.

Fascism isn't just hatred or racism. Fascism is the use of propaganda and mass psychology by wealthy businessmen to manipulate people into forming a fanatical loyalty to a single leader, who is the puppet of said wealthy businessmen.

So uh, unless you can point to the great ubermensch fuher to which all Antifa must pledge their loyalty or be annihilated, then you're full of shit, you fucking hypocritical lying fascist tool.

Who said Antifa is Fascist? It looks like they said racist. Seems to the outsider that Antifa runs around screaming that white people are the cause of all suffering. That white people are in charge of everything to the detriment of everyone else. Not calling out specifically who is causing problems, but simply blaming white people. That seems racist to me.

This does not mean Antifa is a good idea. But they definitely are not fascist.

There is plenty of shit going down in the world that suppresses people based on all sorts of things, including race. Almost all of us are held down by powerful whomevers, and we don't have much of a way out. The side enforcing selfish control over the world is wrong, and the side blaming a certain group of people for what a much smaller group is doing is wrong also. Most of us are being squashed in the middle. I'm sure those in control love seeing us peasants fighting amongst eachother, blaming eachother. It keeps the heat off of them.
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
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It looks like they said racist.

That is made up. Most people (that I know) identifying as antifa are white, and they don't hate their own "race", because they don't think in this category anyway. They _do_ hate racism, though, and I would guess also the people that propagate it as a means to rule.
That should not mean, btw, that there cannot be racism among people identifying as antifa, or that people identifying as antifa could never do racist things. After all, centuries of racist indoctrination can not be eradicated with a simple gesture, a logo and a manifesto (this goes for the western culture, but also for the arabic or turkish or chinese or japanese or $culture as well). But at least in antiracist/antifa circles this is seen and discussed as a problem.

Fascism isn't just hatred or racism....

Thanks for this nice definition.

This does not mean Antifa is a good idea.

Just out of curiosity: are you saying that it is not a good idea, or are you saying that your argumentation does not prove it is a good idea ? And in the first case, why ?
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
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Do you actually know any people identifying as fascists ?
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
From: Anonymous
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In my opinion most of the modern fascist types avoid the word, but rather rephrase the old speech. I know a lot of public figures (politicians mostly) repeating typical fascist speech points though, like:

-the strong should rule over the weak, with a strong leader at the top
-your genetic heritage defines you as a person, as well as your social value
-any sexual orientation apart from hetero is pervert and must be suppressed and fought -there are clearly defined geographical areas that belong by birth right to a certain group of people
-there are worthless human beings that deserve to die in order not to hinder the rest
-$group_1 is better and more valuable than $group_2
-$group is responsible for all our miseries
-we are surrounded by powerful and evil, inhuman enemies and must fight them until they have perished
-and so on and so forth
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
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Sorry, for the life of me I cannot figure out how to quote your message.

But can you point out any real world examples of modern prominent public figures espousing the values you mentioned?
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But can you point out any real world examples of modern prominent public figures espousing the values you mentioned?

Victor Orban
Donald Trump
Marine Le Pen
Bolsonaro
Geert Wilders
Bernd Hoecke
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Thanks, I was hoping you would say Trump because that's the one I'm most familiar with, and now I know that you're full of shit.

He doesn't espouse those values, you just disagree with some of his political opinions and so you want to believe that he is Satan incarnate.  I'm going to bet it's safe to assume the same is true of most of the other figures you listed.

This is the danger of "antifa": they are not anti-fascist, they are anti-"anyone who doesn't agree with my politics", and so then they label their opponents as fascists in order to justify their extreme and antisocial actions toward them.  Calling someone a fascist is the modern-day equivalent to crying "witch!"
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Anonymous wrote:

Sorry, for the life of me I cannot figure out how to quote your message.

Quoting is one of the very few features of the software that requires javascript. If it's disabled, quoting won't work :(
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Subject: Re: Go Antifa !
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Anyone who promotes or supports the Anitifa terrorist origination, should be SHOT in the head. (Presuming that they have one).

A flea would out wit such morons.
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should be SHOT in the head.

Ironically, and unfortunately for you, statements like this keep people like me in the antifa.
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If you pay close attention this sounds exactly like antifa.

-the strong should rule over the weak, with a strong leader at the top
- minorities should rule over the majority.
-your genetic heritage defines you as a person, as well as your social value
- your genetic heritage defines you as a person, as well as your social value
-any sexual orientation apart from hetero is pervert and must be suppressed and fought
- normal sexual orientations are oppressive and must be suppressed and fought.
-there are clearly defined geographical areas that belong by birth right to a certain group of people
- there are clearly defined geographical areas that belong to everyone but certain defined geographical areas only belong to colored people.
-there are worthless human beings that deserve to die in order not to hinder the rest
- there are privileged human beings that deserve to die in order not to hinder the rest.
-$group_1 is better and more valuable than $group_2
- $group_1 is better and more valuable than $group_2
-$group is responsible for all our miseries
- $group is responsible for all our miseries
-we are surrounded by powerful and evil, inhuman enemies and must fight them until they have perished
- we are surrounded by powerful and evil, inhuman enemies and must fight them until they have perished
-and so on and so forth
-and so on and so forth

I've had the misfortune to talk to and hang around people that consider themselves antifa in the real world, not just online. They are fascists that believe their cause is the right cause, just as the people they call fascists believe their cause is the right cause.
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Anonymous wrote:

I've had the misfortune to talk to and hang around people that consider themselves antifa in the real world, not just online. They are fascists that believe their cause is the right cause, just as the people they call fascists believe their cause is the right cause.

Very well said. Most on both sides probably believe they are justified in what they do. From an outside view it really looks like antifa does most everything they accuse their enemies of doing and maybe don't even realize it, or possibly feel justified to act in a fascist manner.
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- minorities should rule over the majority.

Most people identifying as antifa do not support "ruling" at all, as they have an anarchist or similar background.

- normal sexual orientations are oppressive and must be suppressed and fought.

Who said this ? Can you give a quote ? And what is "normal", anyway ?

- there are clearly defined geographical areas that belong to everyone but certain defined geographical areas only belong to colored people.

Again, who said this ?

You are just making up stuff, in order to prove your point that fascist = antifascist = fascist. Classic fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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I have talked with enough people who consider themselves "antifa" to know their usual talking points.

- minorities should rule over the majority.
Most people identifying as antifa do not support "ruling" at all, as they have an anarchist or similar background.

They do support "ruling" when it's convenient to them and when they can oppose their world view onto others.

- normal sexual orientations are oppressive and must be suppressed and fought.
Who said this ? Can you give a quote ? And what is "normal", anyway ?

All you have to do is tell them that you're hetero and you don't date trans women. This goes against their very notion of what they believe hetero means. Hetero means to them that you also date trans women, because trans women are women after all. No, trans women will never be women and having sex with trans women is not hetero.

Normal is the biological way to produce offspring, everything else is not normal.

- there are clearly defined geographical areas that belong to everyone but certain defined geographical areas only belong to colored people.
Again, who said this ?

Plenty of people I've talked with call for open borders, but when it comes to whites moving to third world countries then that's oppression (gentrification). Or if middle income households start noticing that the crime rate is steadily increasing in their neighborhood and they move out, then it's white flight. Open borders and move wherever you want? Sure, only if you're a minority, else you're apparently oppressing and harming everyone. Chinese can have their China towns in western countries but the same for middle class westerners in other countries is considered evil / gentrification.

Then you also have, specifically in the Jewish antifa community, the ones calling for open borders in the west but if you dare say they should have open borders in Israel then they call you anti-semitic.

You are just making up stuff, in order to prove your point that fascist = antifascist = fascist. Classic fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

No, I have talked with enough antifa to know the usual common talking points. What you are pulling here is the "antifa are not a group" card, so that you can just brush off anything and everything that antifa people say. If people who consider themselves antifa act like a group, then they will be treated as if they were a group. Antifa do the same thing with anyone they think has opposing viewpoints, they're all lumped into the same nazi group as white nationalists.

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Though we seem to disagree strongly, let me at least say I appreciate a discussion, much more than  the "shoot them in the head" comment earlier.
In general, I prefer much more to reason with people compared to hitting them on the head or somesuch. Something I believe differentiates me from many fascists already.

I have talked with enough people who consider themselves "antifa" to know their usual talking points.

Yeah well, now you are being a bit difficult: you claim to know and have been talking to people identifying as antifa, and this might of course be true.
However there is no way to check if these statements have actually been made or not. Why don't you come up with some sources that can be checked ? Let's say a website ran by an antifa group, or similar ?

They do support "ruling" when it's convenient to them and when they can oppose their world view onto others.

Again: claim without proof. Show me where and when antifa groups or persons have been in positions to rule.

All you have to do is tell them that you're hetero and you don't date trans women. This goes against their very notion of what they believe hetero means. Hetero means to them that you also date trans women,
because trans women are women after all. No, trans women will never be women and having sex with trans women is not hetero.

You mean to tell me that antifa members ostracized you because you don't date trans women ? Forgive me, but again this sounds very odd to me, and not like the antifa I know.

Normal is the biological way to produce offspring, everything else is not normal.

I find that definition quite funny, given how many species will copulate with just about anything they find, including same sex and even members of other species or objects.
But ok, I could live with just about any definition, as long as each can follow its own path and liking without fear.

Plenty of people I've talked with call for open borders, but when it comes to whites moving to third world countries then that's oppression (gentrification).

Again with the people you talked to. Can you give some source that I can read for myself ?

Chinese can have their China towns in western countries but the same for middle class westerners in other countries is considered evil / gentrification.

I sort of get your point here. Persons with different heritage and cultural background are looked at differently, and the same actions are also judged differently. And of course this seems strange if you want the same rights for all.
In some cases I guess I would side with you on this one, in other cases I have to say that the context can matter in these things. Cultural appropriation for example is something that can only be done by the ruling culture to the minorities, not the other way round.

Then you also have, specifically in the Jewish antifa community, the ones calling for open borders in the west but if you dare say they should have open borders in Israel then they call you anti-semitic.

I have never read a statement like this, in fact quite the opposite (calling for an end of the opression of the palestine people).

No, I have talked with enough antifa to know the usual common talking points.

My experience with antifa members is very different from yours. Let's take it to next level and give some sources, instead of the "I heard from someone" routine.

What you are pulling here is the "antifa are not a group" card,

antifa is not a group, indeed. It is more of a movement, in many aspects like anonymous: you are antifa, as soon as you give yourself the label and get active.
And of course this implies that the movement is very heteroginous and at times contradicting.     
so that you can just brush off anything and everything that antifa people say.

I don't want to brush off anything, just give me some sources I can check please.
If people who consider themselves antifa act like a group, then they will be treated as if they were a group.

Fair enough, for the sake of discussion.

Antifa do the same thing with anyone they think has opposing viewpoints, they're all lumped into the same nazi group as white nationalists.
Antifa is fascism, it's just a different flavor and more disguised than nazis.

Racists and other such scum did the things on this list:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/white-extremist-murders-killed-at-least-70-in-u-s-since-1995.html

Please show me a similar list for antifa activists.
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Imagine getting rational conversation and sound argument from a fascist. Plus, someone who makes a show of being openly bigoted and clueless may not be sincere.

I do believe that they were shunned by some leftists for being hateful, though. Leftist spaces deal with trolls constantly and it wouldn't be a surprise to find some bigoted fashboy harassing people then claiming to be oppressed by antifa because he got banned from a Discord or something.
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Though we seem to disagree strongly, let me at least say I appreciate a discussion, much more than  the "shoot them in the head" comment earlier.
I said no such thing.

In general, I prefer much more to reason with people compared to hitting them on the head or somesuch. Something I believe differentiates me from many fascists already.
That may be so, but others such as the "antifa bike lock professor" Eric Clanton do otherwise.
https://www.berkeleyside.org/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-takes-3-year-probation-deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case

I have talked with enough people who consider themselves "antifa" to know their usual talking points.
Yeah well, now you are being a bit difficult: you claim to know and have been talking to people identifying as antifa, and this might of course be true.
However there is no way to check if these statements have actually been made or not. Why don't you come up with some sources that can be checked ? Let's say a website ran by an antifa group, or similar ?
I'm not trying to be difficult, but my main interactions with people who claim to be antifa are mainly on anonymous chans and a few people in person. I don't bookmark or archive interactions I have with others. I should probably start doing that when interacting with antifa it seems.

They do support "ruling" when it's convenient to them and when they can oppose their world view onto others.
Again: claim without proof. Show me where and when antifa groups or persons have been in positions to rule.
CHAZ/CHOP together with BLM where they wouldn't even let journalists in and there were shootings.

All you have to do is tell them that you're hetero and you don't date trans women. This goes against their very notion of what they believe hetero means. Hetero means to them that you also date trans women,
because trans women are women after all. No, trans women will never be women and having sex with trans women is not hetero.
You mean to tell me that antifa members ostracized you because you don't date trans women ? Forgive me, but again this sounds very odd to me, and not like the antifa I know.
Just go on twitter and claim you're straight and don't date trans women, that should get you started. Plenty of people claiming to be antifa are on Twitter.

Normal is the biological way to produce offspring, everything else is not normal.
I find that definition quite funny, given how many species will copulate with just about anything they find, including same sex and even members of other species or objects.
But ok, I could live with just about any definition, as long as each can follow its own path and liking without fear.
I don't care what others do in private between two (or more) consenting adults but it should not be encouraged or taught at school and basic public decency should be upheld. That's all I care about really.

Here's a question to you, what's your stance on pedophilia?

Plenty of people I've talked with call for open borders, but when it comes to whites moving to third world countries then that's oppression (gentrification).
Again with the people you talked to. Can you give some source that I can read for myself ?
No, unfortunately not, as mentioned above.

Chinese can have their China towns in western countries but the same for middle class westerners in other countries is considered evil / gentrification.
I sort of get your point here. Persons with different heritage and cultural background are looked at differently, and the same actions are also judged differently. And of course this seems strange if >you want the same rights for all.
In some cases I guess I would side with you on this one, in other cases I have to say that the context can matter in these things. Cultural appropriation for example is something that can only be done >by the ruling culture to the minorities, not the other way round.
I don't buy into the whole cultural appropriation thing and this comes from a person who immigrated into another country as a minority at one point in life.

Then you also have, specifically in the Jewish antifa community, the ones calling for open borders in the west but if you dare say they should have open borders in Israel then they call you anti-semitic.
I have never read a statement like this, in fact quite the opposite (calling for an end of the opression of the palestine people).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germans_(political_current

No, I have talked with enough antifa to know the usual common talking points.
My experience with antifa members is very different from yours. Let's take it to next level and give some sources, instead of the "I heard from someone" routine.
What you are pulling here is the "antifa are not a group" card,
antifa is not a group, indeed. It is more of a movement, in many aspects like anonymous: you are antifa, as soon as you give yourself the label and get active.
And of course this implies that the movement is very heteroginous and at times contradicting.    
This is sort of like a person calling themselves nazi but forgetting to mention they don't intend to gas all Jews. I'm exaggerating of course, but I hope you get the point that if someone considers themselves antifa then they should expect to be compared to the ones committing crimes who also call themselves antifa. It's sort of like the incel (involuntary celibate) community where a few of them end up committing mass murder which makes the rest look bad.

so that you can just brush off anything and everything that antifa people say.
I don't want to brush off anything, just give me some sources I can check please.
If people who consider themselves antifa act like a group, then they will be treated as if they were a group.
Fair enough, for the sake of discussion.

Antifa do the same thing with anyone they think has opposing viewpoints, they're all lumped into the same nazi group as white nationalists.
Antifa is fascism, it's just a different flavor and more disguised than nazis.
Racists and other such scum did the things on this list:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/white-extremist-murders-killed-at-least-70-in-u-s-since-1995.html
Please show me a similar list for antifa activists.
I'm not denying any of that, but I really don't understand how you can't see how antifa aren't good either. Antifa who commit crimes generally seem to avoid identifying as antifa and there is the whole circular logic regarding the name "anti-fascist" where they believe just because they call themselves "anti-fascist" they are somehow justified in every action they undertake.

Here are some fine examples of people who identify as antifa, to help your disbelief:

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-dayton-shootings-august-2019/h_c3fe4a1d2b04da849422f817647227ab
https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barrs-statement-riots-and-domestic-terrorism
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/14/republican-baseball-shooting-virginia-what-happened

Media and fact checking websites are usually skewed in favor of left wing extremism in general, usually downplaying it in the west:
Conclusion: mixture
"In the absence of a single, universally-agreed definition of "terrorism," it is a matter of subjective determination"
Yep, apparently planning to bomb US government buildings is hard to label "terrorism".
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/

Delusions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/p4cnae/republicans_claim_to_fear_leftwing/

Some more fine antifa people:
https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1429656939638792193?s=21
https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-member-who-threatened-violence-against-andy-ngo-and-celebrated-death-of-cop-works-as-a-mentor-for-children
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/tacoma-police-armed-man-throwing-incendiary-devices-shot-outside-ice-detention-center/
https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-rioter-indicted-church-destruction-portland

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