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SubjectAuthor
* usenet iiseth Hurst
`* Re: usenet iiRichard Kettlewell
 +* Re: usenet iiseth Hurst
 |`- Re: usenet iiMarc SCHAEFER
 `- Re: usenet iiRuss Allbery

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From: seth@home.sethhurst.com (seth Hurst)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: usenet ii
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:03:07 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
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 by: seth Hurst - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:03 UTC

Is there any servers offfering any of the usenet ii groups? I've been
reading about this. Also what does the term mean a sound usenet site? I
would take that to mean no spam but not sure.

Re: usenet ii

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From: invalid@invalid.invalid (Richard Kettlewell)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: usenet ii
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:44:29 +0100
Organization: terraraq NNTP server
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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:44 UTC

seth Hurst <seth@home.sethhurst.com> writes:
> Is there any servers offfering any of the usenet ii groups? I've been
> reading about this. Also what does the term mean a sound usenet site? I
> would take that to mean no spam but not sure.

It was abandoned over a decade ago.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

Re: usenet ii

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From: seth@home.sethhurst.com (seth Hurst)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: usenet ii
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:31:12 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
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 by: seth Hurst - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:31 UTC

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:44:29 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> seth Hurst <seth@home.sethhurst.com> writes:
>> Is there any servers offfering any of the usenet ii groups? I've been
>> reading about this. Also what does the term mean a sound usenet site? I
>> would take that to mean no spam but not sure.
>
> It was abandoned over a decade ago.

ah okay.

Re: usenet ii

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From: schaefer@alphanet.ch (Marc SCHAEFER)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: usenet ii
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:53:19 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Posted through news.alphanet.ch
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 by: Marc SCHAEFER - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:53 UTC

seth Hurst <seth@home.sethhurst.com> wrote:
>> It was abandoned over a decade ago.
>
> ah okay.

There is even a Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II

and a web page: if it was once related to Usenet II (no idea), the
usenet 2 dot org domain is now apparently a parked / advertising domain
(according to Google, because it currently just says "The requested URL
was not found on this server.")

Re: usenet ii

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From: eagle@eyrie.org (Russ Allbery)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: usenet ii
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 09:01:13 -0700
Organization: The Eyrie
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 by: Russ Allbery - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:01 UTC

Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
> seth Hurst <seth@home.sethhurst.com> writes:

>> Is there any servers offfering any of the usenet ii groups? I've been
>> reading about this. Also what does the term mean a sound usenet site? I
>> would take that to mean no spam but not sure.

> It was abandoned over a decade ago.

The basic problem was lack of traffic. It sort of fell between two
stools: too high of a barrier to entry to get enough of the (small)
remaining Usenet traffic to remain viable over time, but too low of a
barrier of entry to have the feeling of community of a private hierarchy.

In my personal opinion, a lot of the things that were being tried at the
time were variations of "how do we introduce some level of moderation for
Usenet groups that isn't the highly arcane and poorly-designed traditional
moderation system, but without changing the protocol." And the answer
was, basically, "you can't," with a small exception for truly private
invite-only hierarchies, which continue to work fine for a sweet spot of
about 20-50 active participants but cannot scale.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.


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